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Read This before you switch to Chrome! - 02 September, 2008
poss says
I don't suppose many people read eula's, but i do. And I REALLY don't like this one. Check out section 11.1

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services

So, in essence, by using chrome you give google the ability to do whatever the hell it wants with whatever you put online, anywhere, anyhow through any of its services without ever having to pay you or acknowledge you. You still "retain copyright", but that is essentially meaningless becase you waive everything your copyright gives you. This is even if you don't tick the "yes, please do monitor everything i do" box.

Chrome may be fast, but the price of admission is everything you make and do.
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(Guest) Guest says
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lol your an idiot! Thats standard
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(Guest) Fraso says
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... hard to take people seriously that don't know the difference between your and you're.
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(Guest) MeSir says
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Guest in post #1 - Where are your sources to back up this claim?
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(Guest) Guest says
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Standard? "Oh don't worry, we promise never to enforce that law". "I know it is unjust and I don't agree with it, but I'll be ok with it just 'cause its standard and nobody enforces it".
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(Guest) Eoin says
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It's boiler-plate legalese. What mechanism do you assume Google can use to, for example, take what I've written here and use it against my will? How do they know what the hell browser anything on your site is submitted through?

The answer is, they don't.

However; Any and all text submitted to Google hosted services is fair game (blogs, hosting etc), but that is the case regardless of what browser you use to submit.

Put away the tinfoil hat and enjoy Chrome for what it is...an innovative, if a little buggy, browsing experience.
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(Guest) Guest says
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Ending it with "display on or through" means that strictly held, it also pertains to any website loaded with Chrome. There is no actual legal rights granted by this EULA, it's just a blanket EULA. In fact, this same section is found in all other google services.

So calm down...
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(Guest) Guest says
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i'd just like to say
HOW IS ANYTHING CHROME IS DOING INNOVATIVE IF OPERA WAS DOING IT A YEAR AGO

you people are so fucking stupid
gb2 your firefox and shitty macs and coffee and strudles FUCK THE INTERNET GOD DAMNIT
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poss says
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In response to eoin, heres my copypasta from reddit on the subject

If you come to my site, I know what browser you came in on, a couple of lines of script will tell me that. but i dont even need the scripts, because i get a report from google analytics, which means they allready know which browser you came in on. They are constantly indexing my sites content, so they know when you author content. so contrary to your stement they DO know if you uploaded content through their browser. and that gives them the right to use it however they see fit.

But that’s just today, maybe you should look at where Google is going

Chrome is a stepping stone between search engine, apps and eventually OS. Once they reach that point, you will have authored your content with their apps, stored it in their OS, and possibly even on their remote storage. At that point they know without a shadow of a doubt who authored it, when, where ,in what format, and any other piece of information you care to note. If this eula still applies, and even worse if it applies to those apps and the OS then you will have absolutely no control over what they do with every piece of data you produce.
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(Guest) Guest says
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"lol your an idiot! Thats standard"

It's not in Firefox's EULA: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/eula/firefox-en.html
It's not in Opera's EULA. I wasn't able to find an online version of the EULA, so I used the one in the Windows installer for 9.52 .

So no, it's not "standard".
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(Guest) Fred says
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> "You still 'retain copyright', but that is essentially meaningless becase you waive everything your copyright gives you"

Not true. Google are not going to turn around and claim you did not pen an original work as DMCA stop you from using it after the event. They are not going to stop you doing more with the same work like turn it into a book for sale.
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poss says
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Fred, thats true. I should have said "nearly every protection your copywrite gives you"

You can still use it, but so can they, and anyone they see fit to give it to. i.e. potentially everyone.
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(Guest) Guest says
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"THE SERVICES"

This doesn't refer to usage of the browser in general, it's just a copy of the EULA that you already agreed to when you're using Google's web services. This doesn't apply to other websites.

Jesus, people.
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poss says
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Again, reddit copypasta:

thats covered in the FIRST term of the eula, which im gonna guess you didn't read.

1.1 Your use of Google’s products, software, services and web sites (referred to collectively as the “Services” in this document and excluding any services provided to you by Google under a separate written agreement) is subject to the terms of a legal agreement between you and Google. “Google” means Google Inc.

So services means products, software, services and sites. Including the browser.
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(Guest) Guest g5w says
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urgh.

I recall this came up regarding either myspace or facebook. For them to be able to host your stuff, they need permission to do it. If they decide to change how their site works, they need your permission. If they decide they need to link people's info together to create communities automatically blah blah blah, (read: innovate) they need your permission to use what you posted to their site. The EULA of sites like that are there to cover their tail.

EULA's and Cell Phone Service Contracts, etc... generally they are written to favor the person writing the contract, not the person agreeing to it.
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(Guest) Lou Ming says
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Yes and if an image of yours, or a piece of prose you authored, appears on a Google page as a search result or reference, this language indemnifies them from being sued for "stealing intellectual property," a problem I believe they've had to deal with in the past...
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Eclipse, Yue says
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It's interesting but I should repost when I'm not so tired. That way I am more awake and responsive.
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(Guest) Silenus says
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Thank you for your kind warning, Poss! IE8 forever! Microsoft over Google! Hillary over Obama!
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(Guest) Matthijs Kooijman says
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It seems that the Chrome EULA is a (nearly?) verbatim copy of google's main terms of service. Seeing the above section 11, I would have expected chrome's EULA to contain some exceptions, but it seems there are none.

However, both in the general terms and chrome's EULA, the following section is also included. I'm not completely sure how to interpret this, but the "Other than" could be taken to mean "Unlike what section 11 says", but is more likely "In addition to what section 11 says".

9.4 Other than the limited license set forth in Section 11, Google acknowledges and agrees that it obtains no right, title or interest from you (or your licensors) under these Terms in or to any Content that you submit, post, transmit or display on, or through, the Services, including any intellectual property rights which subsist in that Content (whether those rights happen to be registered or not, and wherever in the world those rights may exist). Unless you have agreed otherwise in writing with Google, you agree that you are responsible for protecting and enforcing those rights and that Google has no obligation to do so on your behalf.


So, from my not-a-laywer perspective, by using Chrome you will indeed give Google a license to read your email (provided you use some webmail through Chrome), and not only that, also publish your email...

As said before, I doubt that google will do such things (and I don't think the current version of the browser supports this kind of stuff), but they could legally do so.

Let's hope that this is intentional and will be fixed in a future version of the license?
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(Guest) Kurt says
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It's amazing how daft people are about how much of their rights they waive just to be able to use google's browser.

Note that the things you look at while browsing in Chrome (i.e., detailed marketing-relevant information) will be retained by google and they most certainly will use it to build a tracked profile of you (using either your google login or IP address, where possible).

But, hey, they're your rights. Flush them down the toilet all you like.
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Zenmonk says
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Reddit lol
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(Guest) Guest says
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2.3 You may not use the Services and may not accept the Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under the laws of the United States or other countries including the country in which you are resident or from which you use the Services.


so.. if you are a minor you can't use any google products either.
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(Guest) Guest says
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Here's an official response from Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome:

"In order to keep things simple for our users, we try to use the same set of legal terms (our Universal Terms of Service) for many of our products. Sometimes, as in the case of Google Chrome, this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product. We are working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."
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poss says
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Well then, wouldn't you say Google seeing fit to retroactively change the terms of service ammounts to an admission of guilt?
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(Guest) Guest says
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Admission of guilt? How about they made a mistake?
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Fibonacci's Wench says
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Hardly guilt - but misplaced terms, which (as stated above) are being modified to apply to Chrome and Chrome only…

Generic terms were used and now they are tailoring them be more specific to the product.

Now, on the other hand, if these terms are generic to Google - are they going to change the set of generic terms? I don’t think so…..

This is one bite in the machine.
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Fibonacci's Wench says
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And apparently this thread does not like apostrophes. ''''
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Eclipse, Yue says
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I WILL APOSTROPHE YOU.
I admit, I rarely read EULA's I'll just go on line see whose got what to say about them. I figure if I violate something no one is going to go after a college drop out with no job, who will soon be homeless. They'll go after at least mediocre people. and I figure I'll go from homeless-rich, so when I'm rich I can just, you know throw money at them so they leave me alone
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(Guest) Joe says
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Just seen another site saying pretty much the same - http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/09/03/google-chrome-assumes-ownership-of-your-soul/
Google is changing it apparently
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Zenmonk says
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This thread doesn't mind proper American apostrophes.
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(Guest) Guest says
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you can download chrome source code and see if it does monitor whatever you do.
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(Guest) eEe says
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Google stated they're changing the EULA. and that they aren't collecting any more info than you enter into their search engine.. so chill
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(Guest) miragana says
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(Guest) Guest says
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BBC News - Google tweaks Chrome licence text

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7597699.stm
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poss says
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Well its good to see they changed it.

not that it changes much in the real world, google still knows everything about everyone

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(Guest) Guest says
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every time something new arrives the nay-sayers are out in force. There's too many know-it all geeks online lately, all wanting their face involved in every f'ing little thing that goes on.

You either use Google chrome, or you don't. get over it Mac-heads.

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Lewis says
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it's this dissmissive attitue they want you to nurture i'm sure in the 1930's hitler did the same to prepre germany for his take-over only problem the world's a bigger stage and if you say people are too smart read milgrams studies on obedience long-time
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